Debt collectors and their lawyers are not, of course, all the same, but the process of litigation, and the relationship between debt buyers and the people they’re chasing for money are pretty similar. It will help you to know the nature of the beast that is debt law.
Debt Collectors and Debt Law – The Nature of the Beast
What you’re facing when you take on the debt collectors
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This video was originally part of a tutorial on what people facing debt trouble should do.
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Like most things, trouble can be analyzed as a series of discrete steps you can consider. And you can fix them one thing at a time, too.
Timeline of Trouble
Life before Trouble
(this may be mythical)
Distant Rumbles
Something is not right – you know you aren’t doing something you should, either to prepare, protect, or conserve.
Closer Rumbles
Rumors of Doom – bills mounting, spouse complaining, you complaining, boss warning.
Dark Clouds in Sky
Collection letters and calls, serious conflict with important people
Debt Collection
Litigation
Has its own process (See Litigation Timeline)
Clean-up and Move on
Win or Lose, life goes on. The quality of your life depends on handling this well.
This time-line probably doesn’t tell you anything you don’t already know. Our point here is to “build system” to help you approach things systematically. It’s easier to take things one step at a time and in order than to take everything on at random. So much of what makes debt troubles so hard is that they are overwhelming and dispiriting. If you break them into simple steps and allow yourself the patience to do them one at a time trusting the results to add up over time, you can handle the problems.
We also suggest that you think “strategically,” which means keeping your end-results in mind from the very beginning.
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If you have been watching bills pile up or fear answering your phone because of debt collectors, this product will be good for you. It includes information about your right to require “verification” of debt and a sample letter you can simply copy and use on debt collectors that will often make them simply go away.
Also includes an article about your right to force debt collectors to stop talking to you at all (“cease communication letter”) and advice as to what effects this might have on you in the future, along with a sample letter to use to make the debt collectors stop communicating with you.
And it includes an article about finances and planning that will help you get ahead and keep the debt collectors from ever bothering you again.
These materials are designed to help you gain control of your debt, whatever it may be. The first step is to control the way and times the debt collectors contact you – if at all, and to assert your rights to force them to verify the debt. Beyond that, though, you need to take back control over your life by controlling your budget and improving your ability to earn and keep money.
You’ve probably seen (we have) simple debt verification letters selling for fifty or a hundred dollars. With this package you get two sample debt verification letters designed by a professional who has been in the business a long time. In addition, you get a “cease-communication” letter you can use to make the debt collectors stop contacting you altogether, along with information that will help you know how to use the letters with confidence. Plus you get actually meaningful and helpful advice on reining in your debts permanently. Click here to see more on this product.
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Sometimes a Rain Dance is Just a Dance – – and it Rains (Pt. 1)
Have you seen some of those sites by people who have been sued by debt collectors? They start out saying something like “I was sued by a debt collector and won. Let me show you how I did it…”
Everybody’s an expert. And capitalizing on a person who is being harassed by debt collectors’ natural distrust and dislike of lawyers, this new expert is going to show you a way to defeat the debt collectors. Just like he or she did. You’ll learn from someone just like you – someone you can trust.
There is a problem.
As you know if you have spent much time on my site, sometimes debt collectors drop lawsuits simply because you file an answer. Sometimes a debt collector will stop harassing you because you seek verification of the debt. Sometimes they’ll drop a suit because you request discovery – sometimes they’ll drop the suit because you show up the first day. Sometimes they don’t even show up. I hear stories like that all the time. And for you, as a defendant who has been harassed by a debt collector, the relief is wonderful.
But it doesn’t make you an expert. It makes you “lucky.”
Luck
I put “lucky” in quotation marks because in almost all the scenarios above, you had to take some action to trigger the dismissal by the debt collector. Just by taking some action – good or bad, right or wrong – you are, as they say, putting yourself “on the side of the angels” – you’re helping to make your own luck. And if you get lucky and win you deserve it, in my opinion.
But there are right things and wrong things you could do at every stage of a lawsuit. If you do the right thing, your chances of winning go up. If you filed something that wasn’t the right thing but still happened to win, for every 100 people who follow in your footsteps, 98 of them will lose and wonder why. And the reason is, that without understanding the debt collectors and debt law, anything you do is just a dance – it happened to rain for that guy in Texas that one time, but it still wasn’t a rain dance. You do that dance and you’re going to get burned.
That make sense? The more you know, the better the chance you will do the right things that make it more likely the debt collectors will walk away or that you will still win even if they do not walk away. This is where YourLegalLegUp, with a long history of helping a lot of people in widely different situations win a lot of cases brings something to the table most sites do not. The value of experience, practice and knowledge.
In the next part of this article we will look at the steps of litigation – how each one presents you an opportunity to get lucky – and the better you do them, the more likely you are to get lucky. Sometimes a Rain Dance is Just a Dance (Pt. 2)
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This is the second part of this article. Click here for the first part. In the first part we talked about how people sometimes get lucky in defending themselves from debt lawsuits, but that doesn’t make them “good” – it makes them lucky. The question is, how can you increase your chances of being lucky, too. Should you do what worked once for somebody? or do what has repeatedly worked for a lot of people in a lot of ways over time? The answer is obvious. The rest of this article talks about how you can be lucky, too.
How Debt Lawsuits begin
A debt lawsuit starts with a “petition” – although it is sometimes called a “complaint,” and there may be other names for it, too: it’s the statement that you supposedly owe the debt collector money, some legal reasons why the court should order you to pay, and a “request for relief” (also known as the “wherefore clause”). The debt collector files this petition with the court and needs no permission to do so. When they file it, the also get a summons.
Some courts let the debt collectors issue the summons, too, although technically it comes from the court. The debt lawyer, as an _ of the court, writes it up, a clerk stamps it (or they may come pre-stamped), and the power of the court – over the case and over you – has been invoked. The summons tells you when to be at court and what to expect (“default judgment for the amount sued upon”) if you fail to show up. In all courts of which I am aware, proper service of the summons, which can happen in several ways, is necessary for the court to have jurisdiction over you.
What the debt collectors know is that somewhere between 80 and 95% of people who are served will not show up in court. If you do show up, and the other side does not – you should immediately ask the case be dismissed, and many courts (perhaps most) will grant that motion. That would be lucky – but only if you were there and knew enough to request the court to dismiss the case, as absent the request the courts will often simply continue (postpone) the case until the next court date.
Assuming the other side actually appears for court as scheduled, your next step is either to move to dismiss the case or answer the petition. Check your rules to see what the rules of pleading are, and if the plaintiff’s case does not comply – and they almost never do in Pennsylvania, for example – you might file a motion to dismiss or its equivalent (Preliminary Objections in PA). Often enough they don’t comply in whatever jurisdiction you may be in, and a motion to dismiss can be a quick way out of the lawsuit. Or you file an Answer. Whichever action you take, the debt collector might choose to walk away from the suit at this point: as I have often pointed out, there are a lot easier people to chase than those who file bothersome Motions to Dismiss or Answers.
Discovery
Often the debt collector will not walk away at this point, so the next thing you must do is both serve discovery on it and answer discovery if they serve it on you. It is important for anybody to serve discovery on the other side first, but especially for pro se debt defendants: you would never believe the games the debt lawyers play – you want to see those games in action before you start responding to their discovery.
Sometimes the mere service of discovery drives the debt collectors away, but most often, of course, it does not. You will receive vague and unresponsive “answers” like “pursuant to national banking regulation, credit card applications need not be retained beyond a period of two years” (What does that say, anyway?) or “Plaintiff is conducting a search for records and will make them available to defendant as they come into Plaintiff’s possession.” It is the task of the pro se defendant to push past these objections and vague statements to discover what, if anything the debt collector has, and to force it to admit it has nothing more. This, of course, is the reason for a motion to compel. If you do that appropriately, the chance of the debt collector dropping the case is actually pretty good.
Not Bad Faith or Frivolous
Performing legal actions with no reason other than to increase the cost and effort the other side must undertake in order to win its case is “bad faith” in litigation. An action with no reasonable basis in law or fact is “frivolous.” Both of these sorts of forbidden actions and motives can create significant problems for a person caught doing them. None of the actions listed above, however, come anywhere close to these forbidden zones: they all accomplish purposes for which the discovery and pleading rules were designed. The motions seek to weed out unwinnable claims, and the discovery probes the other side to find out what, if anything, they have in support of their claims. Following this broad pattern, you are not only increasing the chances that they will walk away at any point leading up to trial, but you also increasing your chances of winning if the matter does go to trial.
Good Luck
Lawyers are constantly performing a balancing act, always deciding whether it is potentially more profitable to act in one way rather than another. This is not because lawyers are greedy – although many of them are, of course – but is in fact part of their ethical responsibility to act in ways which promote their clients’ interests. These interests are virtually always financial, and thus as you continue to defend yourself with skill, you raise the issue more and more insistently that the lawyer would be better off pursuing other claims. When your skill has actually pushed the lawyer to take the step of cutting you loose, you are “lucky,” and the debt collector drops its suit. If you have a pending counterclaim at this point, you can force it to do so “with prejudice.”
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Defeat the debt collectors in lawsuits, end debt problems, and repair and restore your credit.
If you have had debt problems and struggled to find your way back to stability, or if you are in the process of making your way back into stability, you almost certainly have damage to your credit report that is holding you back. And this is particularly true of debt litigation.
It may be hurting you in ways you don’t even know about.
Simply put, a good credit rating is the “key to the kingdom,” your way back to the good life you either had before or always wanted.
We here at Your Legal Leg Up don’t really encourage anybody, at any time, to borrow any money. Ever. But we do realize that not everybody shares that opinion. Even if you do, however, your credit rating matters in so many ways and affects you in everything from the rates you pay on your loans to whether you can get certain jobs and where you live.
A bad credit rating is like an invisible, but very heavy, tax on your hopes and dreams. Even if you are still in litigation, you should be taking steps to repair your credit and remove that tax.
Fix It
Credit repair – correcting and improving the information in your credit report, is possible and can be done by following a series of steps that is not too complicated or difficult. The Credit Repair Manual is designed to give you all the information you need to do this yourself as well as if you hired a company to do it for you. In fact, since the bureaus and information furnishers are not required to do some things for professional companies that they would have to do for you, you can do it better for yourself than the professionals can do it for you..
And save hundreds of dollars while you’re at it.
We Can Help
All you need is the right information and the willingness and energy to use it. We can supply the information better than anyone else.
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If you will stand up for yourself, you can probably make the debt collectors go away even if they could win the suit against you. (Which they usually can’t.)
Why?
Follow the Money
It’s all about money, right? They want to make money. That’s why they’re suing you. If you will defend yourself it becomes too expensive for the company to pursue the litigation against you.
Let’s Do the Math
Consider the question from the point of view of the debt collectors. They buy debt cheaply (very, very cheaply), file sut in large numbers, and win the vast majority of cases without a fight. In St. Louis County, the “call dockets” often have 300-600 defendants, most of whom are being sued by a handful of debt collectors represented by two or three lawyers. If it takes an hour or two for the lawyers to get one hundred judgments totaling (by my guess) approximately $400,000 to $1,000,000 dollars, that’s a pretty good hour’s work.
Now look at the Petition in your lawsuit, down at the last paragraph near the end (where it says “wherefore, plaintiff prays…”). If the company is asking for attorney’s fees against you at all, they’ll usually say so right in the “wherefore clause,” and you may be surprised at how small the number is. In Missouri, the number is typically 15% of what they’re suing you for. If the company is suing you for $5,000, the attorney’s fees might be around $750, but that’s only if they are suing on a contract that allows attorney’s fees. In fact there is often no request for attorney fees at all in the suit.
They ask for the same amount whether or not you fight.
If you don’t fight the case, they get a windfall. If you do fight the case, they usually don’t get any more money even if they win. Instead of hoping for several hundred thousand dollars per hour of work, they’re trying to get $150 per hour-if that. That’s a lot less fun.
And if they are not suing you on a contract that specifically provides for attorney’s fees, they don’t get any fees for fighting no matter how long it takes. Every second you make them spend fighting with you costs them money that they will not get back. Everybody on the other side knows all this, and they never forget it. Neither should you.
What Would You Do…
What would you do if you were a debt collector who was bogged down in a suit for a few hundred (or even thousand) dollars-but which could cost just as much in attorneys fees. And on the other hand you could make a hundred thousand dollars in an hour of work by picking out other people to sue instead? Debt collectors are practical people. If you stand up for yourself in a way that shows them they will have a real fight on their hands, they will usually drop the suit. It isn’t worth it with so many other people around who will not fight.
Isn’t that what you would do?
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